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Re: BATF strange classification

by Mike Burge <frontier_marketing@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 17, 2008 at 09:13 AM

On Apr 17, 7:23=A0am, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
<lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote:
> Mike Burge <frontier_market...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> fired this volley
innews:79579f9=
4-af74-4a16-9e7a-7bdcdda7d1ae@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> > Why are there so many debates on weather =A0flash is a high explosive?
> > There is a very simple answer.
>
> I wish there were. =A0There are "authorities" who claim it deflagrates,
> only. =A0 There are those who claim that it detonates (when lighted, not
> initiated).
>
> Then there is the legal aspect. =A0BATFE says it's a high explosive. =A0
>
> As wrong as that may be, it absolutely, categorically causes it to be
one
> for every practical purpose except actual blasting work. =A0You have to
> trans****t it as one. =A0You must store it as one. =A0You must
manufacture =
and
> use it as one.
>
> 'Like a duck...
>
> LLoyd

I guess im approaching the matter too scientifically, in that sense
its simple, the legalities are not. I just want them to be more
specific on their definition of high explosive. I think a lot of
people want it to detonate when lit by a fuse so they can say they are
playing with high explosives. I do agree with one thing, those types
should not be allowed near flash or whistle because they can indeed
cause harm when taken lightly. I do agree when lit by a fuse the
perchlorate and chlorate flashes and organic benzoate whistles are the
most powerful low explosives bordering close to the scientific
definition. I would rather flash be just refered to as an explosive
mixture since I don't equate the word low or high with flash as I do
with  bp and its many replacements like golden powder type replica
powders, but in no way are they even near true high explosives like
RDX HMX ect even when initiated by a booster or cap they are on par
with ANMN/ANFO or Tatp in addition flash isn't a propellent either
(its kinda in its own class) sometimes compared to thermite. I am
legal in terms of storage and testing, so I have performed the type of
tests ****mizu did, one with the chlorate flashes and a few other types
and on loose types of whistle mix, they all shattered the rocks and
plastic ****elds around them unconfined in 200 gram amounts, well not
unconfined I used a plastic bag to keep the contents from straying,
but when ignited with visco fuse which was ignited electrically from
far away, the mixes self confined but did not show the brisant nature
and made the common type salute boom throwing debris far instead of
shattering rock, fragmenting but not shattering the plastic. The same
test was done with 100 grams of 2fa black powder and th various black
powder replacements and they just poofed and started a fire igniting
my plastic initiated in both manners :P . I know this should be in an
explosive forum, but the point is that we don't want the flash to
detonate in fireworks because what use would that be to our stars, our
lives, our spectators, our tubes. Plus we don't use ground salutes in
large displays and we sure as hell don't initiate whistle rockets with
shockwaves from a primary explosive. However, I have yet to observe
detonation in our standard 70/30 perchlorate flash initiated in both
ways in fact in larger amount the loose whistle seemed more violent.
The test site is in a meadow in the middle of hundreds of acres of
land left to my family. I will tape the next tests, these were done
for my own pleasure, I love experiments.
 




 17 Posts in Topic:
BATF strange classification
Mike Burge <frontier_m  2008-04-16 21:52:47 
Re: BATF strange classification
"Lloyd E. Sponenburg  2008-04-17 06:23:09 
Re: BATF strange classification
Mike Burge <frontier_m  2008-04-17 09:13:23 
Re: BATF strange classification
"Lloyd E. Sponenburg  2008-04-17 12:31:27 
Re: BATF strange classification
"POWDERBURNZ@[EMAIL   2008-04-17 14:47:05 
Re: BATF strange classification
"Fireball" <  2008-04-17 18:23:46 
Re: BATF strange classification
Mike Burge <frontier_m  2008-04-17 23:18:19 
Re: BATF strange classification
sstrik <sstrik@[EMAIL   2008-04-20 16:52:45 
Re: BATF strange classification
"Lloyd E. Sponenburg  2008-04-21 07:32:11 
Re: BATF strange classification
Mike Burge <frontier_m  2008-04-21 16:09:40 
Re: BATF strange classification
ekim2653@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-04-22 12:19:21 
Re: BATF strange classification
"Lloyd E. Sponenburg  2008-04-22 14:45:06 
Re: BATF strange classification
Mike Burge <frontier_m  2008-04-22 18:31:20 
Re: BATF strange classification
Mike Burge <frontier_m  2008-04-22 18:49:02 
Re: BATF strange classification
robgood@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-22 20:27:49 
Re: BATF strange classification
sstrik <sstrik@[EMAIL   2008-04-22 22:25:43 
Re: BATF strange classification
Mike Burge <frontier_m  2008-04-24 08:17:00 

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