On Apr 14, 8:58=A0am, LadyKate <ladyk...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Apr 14, 5:27=A0am, Mike Burge <frontier_market...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On Apr 9, 3:10=A0am, frontier_market...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > On Apr 6, 7:29=A0pm, LadyKate <ladyk...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > On Apr 6, 4:44=A0pm, frontier_market...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > > I have been practicing making the best whistle burst and my
whistl=
e is
> > > > > pretty darn fast and good for 1.5 to 2.5 inch shells. Some
people =
seem
> > > > > to have different experiences lighting whistle in the open. I
have=
> > > > > read people say it goes woosh like black powder or makes a
scratch=
ing
> > > > > sizzle sound. My experience is that it is highly energetic and
mak=
es a
> > > > > thump like flash only less bright. Theres no poof/scratch or
woosh=
, In
> > > > > my opinion its on par with some low medium to slower flash mixes
u=
sed
> > > > > as burst in terms of open air burn rate and lower need for
> > > > > confinement. Way better than the fastest bp. It acts as flash in
a=
> > > > > salute just w/o the bright metal flash. Its not quite as fast as
t=
he
> > > > > standard or more energetic flash mixtures . I don't know, there
ar=
e
> > > > > not many posts about it in salutes, but i like the sound, it
just
> > > > > lacks the bright flash that we all love. Here is a video, its
not =
my
> > > > > salute nor would I set one off in the street like this, but this
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s
> > > > > 70/30 pp sb whistle loose in a large cardboard salute. I emailed
t=
he
> > > > > guy to see what he used, basically a large M-80 w/o the bright
fla=
sh,
> > > > > they do make a small white flash. Indeed flash makes a better
salu=
te
> > > > > for an audience, so im not saying use whistle instead of
flash!!!!=
> > > > > Just experimenting like my bp substitute tests. Flash and
whistle =
act
> > > > > very simular, salute flash is a tad faster and a lot brighter
than=
> > > > > whistle which makes it a better option for a straight salute
shell=
,
> > > > > but whistle should never woosh like bp if made for burst in
small
> > > > > shells.
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> > > > Whistle is very powerful and deserves a lot of respect. You can
kill=
> > > > yourself just as quickly with a pound of whistle as you can with a
> > > > pound of flash. Here is 500 grams of whistle going off -
unconfined.=
> > > > Note what is left of the 1/2" lexan ****eld and platform made from
2 =
x
> > > > 4 and 2 x 6
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> > > >http://tinyurl.com/yp9zeq
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> > > > Whistle salutes have a lower sounding thump than a flash salute
does=
..
> > > > Add just a bit of Ti if you want a brighter flash. Here is a 2
1/2"
> > > > salute with whistle spolette as a timer.
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> > > >http://tinyurl.com/2w95qy-Hidequotedtext
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> > > yeah thanks for the answer and videos, i really like loose whistle,
> > > its what i use even more than bp since i work with 1.5 to 3 inch
> > > shells mostly. I only use homemade ball milled bp for lift.
Sometimes
> > > I use H3 for burst, but since I was smaller and curious, im in my
30's=
> > > now, but when i was say 14 when everything was a bit more calm, i
took=
> > > a whistle rocket apart and slowly got the whistle into a loose
powder
> > > to see if it would whistle, instead it flashed and thumped and gave
me=
> > > quite a scare but also a smile, I thik thats why im fond of whistle
> > > mix, I had no idea those little bottle rockets contained a mixture
> > > that in loose form would go up that fast!!!! I dont make ground
> > > salutes unless they are very small for experiments, I usually just
> > > make my small shells and am happy. My whistle mix works good in film
> > > canister shells too. My stars are usually very hard and easy to
> > > ignite. Flash is pretty and has some oomph but my whistle suits me
> > > fine for what I do.- Hide quoted text -
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> > Does anybody know of any good reading material on the history of 70/30
> > pp/sb type whistle burst Im not interested in its whistling properties
> > bc thats been debated a lot. I am interested in its loose form. The
> > amount of powerful whistle used in 1.4 and even 1.3g fireworks does
> > not apply to many of my questions bc whistle is usually used to burst
> > small shells under 4 to 3 inches in small quantaties. In rockets it
> > can still explode but not like I have witnessed with fine loose
> > burst.I couldnt find any history on its development, when it started
> > being used as burst, There are very few re****ts on whistle mixes
> > explosive properties. I would like to research this particular mix ,
> > its compared to flash by the cpsc , and I can't tell the difference
> > between the speed of very well mixed 70/30 loose whistle and 70/30
> > flash, they both just flash, i can tell that the flash is brighter and
> > hotter! I have read that as the amount of whistle mix increases it is
> > less predictable more brisant and has a lower critical mass than
> > flash. Im not saying its a high explosive or that the previous
> > literature was fact. I just want more information on whistle
> > particularly a published book. I don't want to know how to make
> > rockets, I am interested in the sensitivity and burning rate as the
> > amount of powder increases. I just watched a video of 40 grams of
> > 70/30 whistle make quite a large boom unconfined. Is there atleast one
> > book or any literature on this subject? Most kids don't even know that
> > those little whistling rockets they set off contain a very energetic
> > mix, and thats good, but they know what flash is bc of all the debates
> > over classification its relation to M-80's, but nothing on whistle
> > which is usually mentioned next to flash but no background provided. I
> > know flash was produced int he early20th century but when was whistle
> > discovered ect... In terms of pyrotechnics the small quantaties in the
> > loose form seem safe if proper precautions are taken. There is a
> > critical mass, ive witnessed it and it wasnt as much as flash, this
> > powder is still a mystery to me in all forms- Hide quoted text -
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> The Journal of Pyrotechnics has several articles on whistle and its
> properties. They are not 'how-tos' or cook books... Visit their site
> atwww.jpyro.com- it is a slow site sometimes.
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> Here is an open whistle test. The confinement was a baggy but that was
> just to keep the mixture from blowing away in the wind. The KCLO4 was
> the domestic stuff sold by Firefox. It has lots of impurities and
> usually makes a very inferior whistle.
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> http://tinyurl.com/yp9zeq-
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Yep, exactly what im talking about, (that looked like a detonation it
was quite brissant destroying the ****eld) I had some do what I saw in
the video, I was just doing experiments unconfined and I had some
extra loose mix left , so i mixed up safely to improve burn rate and,
this was about 1.5 ounces, ignited electrically. The dang stuff shook
the ground and blew leaves and sticks off trees in close proximity,
thats a shock wave from an unconfined comp. 1.5 ounces isn't a huge
amount, but it wouldnt be used in class B displays only small shells,
I haven't had anything under 30 grams act like that. so people using
it for rockets and bursts for 1.3g this doesn't seem to be an issue.
My issue is that flash is way more popular and thats fine with me, I
like my whistle burst, just want to know more about it.
thanks for info
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