Re: Don't buy Martin!

On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:27:44 +0100, "Duncan Wood" <bodgedntp@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrote:

>On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:42:20 +0100, <nooooooo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 00:25:35 -0600, "rrr" <rpeterNOSPAM@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> wrote:
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>>> "rigger" <dave.vick@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>>>> On Jun 11, 9:17 am, "Peter Herman" <rpe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>> > I hate to say it, but Rigger is a professional who has been  
>>>> contributing
>>>> > good stuff to this group for years.  Based on that and what other
>>> lighting
>>>> > folks I know say about their experiences with Martin, I think that 

>>>> what
>>>> > Rigger has to say is pretty spot on.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Peter, I apologize to you for defending me...
>>>> I know it probably grates you to no end to do so, and it's
>>>> appreciated.
>>>
>>> It doesn't grate me to do it.  What grates is the need to do it!  When
a
>>> newcomer to the group who hasn't established his or her bona fides (or
 
>>> in
>>> this case, demonstrates his lack of them) claims that a respected  
>>> member is
>>> either lying or stupid. it just can't be allowed to happen without  
>>> comment.
>>
>> I still don't believe he hasn't heard more than 5 complaints about
>> Martin if he's been around anyone who uses the stuff. I've heard
>> more than that just about the Maxxyz in the past year. I never hear
>> any complaints about Clay Paky, but I'm never around anyone
>> who uses it...
>>
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>I've used it a lot. It's heavy & the macs have a suffeciently large  
>presence in the hire market that they make more sense to own/rent as you 

>can sub them in more easily. The situation was the opposite when moving  
>mirrors where in vogue.
>
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>>> In a civilized group which has as its major goal sharing experience to
 
>>> help
>>> members
>>
>> I had good intentions, but no one appreciates that part.
>>
>>> solve problems
>>
>> Oh, but not avoid them. My bad.
>>
>>> there is just no place for that sort of behavior.
>>> Members often either disagree or have rather different solutions based
 
>>> on
>>> their training, experience, and available resources.  Mostly we manage
 
>>> to
>>> lay them out civilly and let the originator of the question pick and  
>>> choose
>>> what will work in their situation.  That's how it ought to work!
>>
>> Maybe it does sometimes, when people are less agressive
>> and insulting. Oh, and don't forget that I was accused of
>> being a liar to start with, with absolutely no good reason for
>> anyone to think so.
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>Because everybody else had found the manual on the website. 

No, that's another lie. It's because the people are lowlife s***,
as I very clearly correctly predicted in advance. You can see
that I correctly predicted the nastiness, inconsideration and
dishonesty. By now it has reached the point that some s***
are even suggesting that I be beaten to death and then pissed
on. This was a test to see what people in the ngs I posted to 
are like, and to see if I could ever trust these groups on a
professional level. The answer is very obviously: NO!!!