Re: Don't buy Martin!

On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 00:25:35 -0600, "rrr" <rpeterNOSPAM@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

>
>"rigger" <dave.vick@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>> On Jun 11, 9:17 am, "Peter Herman" <rpe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>> > I hate to say it, but Rigger is a professional who has been
contributing
>> > good stuff to this group for years.  Based on that and what other
>lighting
>> > folks I know say about their experiences with Martin, I think that
what
>> > Rigger has to say is pretty spot on.
>>
>>
>> Peter, I apologize to you for defending me...
>> I know it probably grates you to no end to do so, and it's
>> appreciated.
>
>It doesn't grate me to do it.  What grates is the need to do it!  When a
>newcomer to the group who hasn't established his or her bona fides (or in
>this case, demonstrates his lack of them) claims that a respected member
is
>either lying or stupid. it just can't be allowed to happen without
comment.

I still don't believe he hasn't heard more than 5 complaints about
Martin if he's been around anyone who uses the stuff. I've heard
more than that just about the Maxxyz in the past year. I never hear
any complaints about Clay Paky, but I'm never around anyone 
who uses it...

>In a civilized group which has as its major goal sharing experience to
help
>members 

I had good intentions, but no one appreciates that part.

>solve problems 

Oh, but not avoid them. My bad. 

>there is just no place for that sort of behavior.
>Members often either disagree or have rather different solutions based on
>their training, experience, and available resources.  Mostly we manage to
>lay them out civilly and let the originator of the question pick and
choose
>what will work in their situation.  That's how it ought to work!

Maybe it does sometimes, when people are less agressive
and insulting. Oh, and don't forget that I was accused of
being a liar to start with, with absolutely no good reason for 
anyone to think so.