Re: Don't buy Martin!

On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:12:52 -0700 (PDT), rigger <dave.vick@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>On Jun 16, 4:11 am, noooo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:27:44 +0100, "Duncan Wood"
<bodged...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:42:20 +0100, <noooo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrote:
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>> >> On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 00:25:35 -0600, "rrr" <rpeterNOS...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> wrote:
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>> >>> "rigger" <dave.v...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>news:e5429311-888a-449d-865b-97c9a00193bb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >>>> On Jun 11, 9:17 am, "Peter Herman" <rpe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>> >>>> > I hate to say it, but Rigger is a professional who has been
>> >>>> contributing
>> >>>> > good stuff to this group for years.  Based on that and what
other
>> >>> lighting
>> >>>> > folks I know say about their experiences with Martin, I think
that
>> >>>> what
>> >>>> > Rigger has to say is pretty spot on.
>>
>> >>>> Peter, I apologize to you for defending me...
>> >>>> I know it probably grates you to no end to do so, and it's
>> >>>> appreciated.
>>
>> >>> It doesn't grate me to do it.  What grates is the need to do it! 
When a
>> >>> newcomer to the group who hasn't established his or her bona fides
(or
>> >>> in
>> >>> this case, demonstrates his lack of them) claims that a respected
>> >>> member is
>> >>> either lying or stupid. it just can't be allowed to happen without
>> >>> comment.
>>
>> >> I still don't believe he hasn't heard more than 5 complaints about
>> >> Martin if he's been around anyone who uses the stuff. I've heard
>> >> more than that just about the Maxxyz in the past year. I never hear
>> >> any complaints about Clay Paky, but I'm never around anyone
>> >> who uses it...
>>
>> >I've used it a lot. It's heavy & the macs have a suffeciently large
>> >presence in the hire market that they make more sense to own/rent as
you
>> >can sub them in more easily. The situation was the opposite when
moving
>> >mirrors where in vogue.
>>
>> >>> In a civilized group which has as its major goal sharing experience
to
>> >>> help
>> >>> members
>>
>> >> I had good intentions, but no one appreciates that part.
>>
>> >>> solve problems
>>
>> >> Oh, but not avoid them. My bad.
>>
>> >>> there is just no place for that sort of behavior.
>> >>> Members often either disagree or have rather different solutions
based
>> >>> on
>> >>> their training, experience, and available resources.  Mostly we
manage
>> >>> to
>> >>> lay them out civilly and let the originator of the question pick
and
>> >>> choose
>> >>> what will work in their situation.  That's how it ought to work!
>>
>> >> Maybe it does sometimes, when people are less agressive
>> >> and insulting. Oh, and don't forget that I was accused of
>> >> being a liar to start with, with absolutely no good reason for
>> >> anyone to think so.
>>
>> >Because everybody else had found the manual on the website.
>>
>> No, that's another lie. It's because the people are lowlife s***,
>> as I very clearly correctly predicted in advance. You can see
>> that I correctly predicted the nastiness, inconsideration and
>> dishonesty. By now it has reached the point that some s***
>> are even suggesting that I be beaten to death and then pissed
>> on. This was a test to see what people in the ngs I posted to
>> are like, and to see if I could ever trust these groups on a
>> professional level. The answer is very obviously: NO!!!
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>
>Fine.  I can live with being a liar. 

Apparently you feel that lying is best. The question is:
Do you ever feel that it's better to tell the truth? The
reason you hate me is because I do, so you probably
hate the truth and honesty in general.

>Can you live with being a punk-
>ass *****? Because that's what you obviously are.
>
>-DV

Since you feel that telling the truth makes a person
a punk-ass *****, plus judging by your own behaviour
it seems you feel that lying makes a person a bold
and respectable hero. This has been a test to get
an idea about the sort of people who post to these
groups, and it has been very educational.