Re: No Education or Experience Necessary.

"The Starmaker" <starmaker@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
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> On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:32:04 -0400, "Mason Barge"
> <masonbarge@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"The Starmaker" <starmaker@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>>> On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:40:37 -0700 (PDT), Christopher Helms
>>> <Chrishelms132@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Jul 10, 4:30 pm, The Starmaker <starma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>> No Education, Experience or Talent Necessary.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you noticed? That....
>>>>>
>>>>> in Hollywood
>>>>>
>>>>> *most* job openings
>>>>>
>>>>> in film and TV
>>>>>
>>>>> doesn't require any education or experience.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why Is That?
>>>>>
>>>>> Screen writing ---no need for screen writing school.
>>>>>
>>>>> Actors....a mirror is all you need.
>>>>>
>>>>> Producer...who isn't one?
>>>>>
>>>>> Director...
>>>>>
>>>>> Casting Director....you just need to know the alphabet.
>>>>> assistant casting director....abcd, what come after e?
>>>>>
>>>>> assistant production...
>>>>>
>>>>> stunts
>>>>>
>>>>> editing
>>>>>
>>>>> sound effects
>>>>>
>>>>> composer...
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you have any idea how long the list is?
>>>>>
>>>>> Why Is It that Hollywood Factory jobs doesn't require
>>>>> an education, experience or talent?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Actors and screenwriters are independent contractors and they go as
>>>>far as their talent and their wits will allow them to go. And some of
>>>>the actors have formally studied acting. BTW, how many colleges offer
>>>>screenwriting degrees?
>>>
>>> Independent contractors? Doesn't sound like a true, accurate or
>>> correct answer.
>>>    Definition of a Independent contractor:
>>>    A person hired to do a particular job, subject to the direction of
>>> a supervisor. An independent contractor pays for his or her own
>>> expenses and taxes, and receives no employee benefits.
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't think, actors, producers, directors, etc.. who are hired by
>>> studios, pay for theirr *own* expenses.
>>>
>>
>>I didn't say anything about producers.  They are a completely different
>>animal.  Some of them are theoretically more along the line of 
>>entrepreneurs
>>(although they may be titular employees of the company they own).
>>
>>> Close, but no ciger. Would you care to try again?
>>>
>>
>>Pfft.  You're citing some article about IRS treatment for purposes of
FICA
>>withholding and pretending you have a valid point.  This isn't about SSI
>>law.  So that you don't get confused, let me replace "independent
>>contractor" with "independent agent" (even though some movie employees
>>actually do meet the IRS definition of independent contractor, i.e. they

>>pay
>>their own SS taxes).
>
> An "independent agent" is an *insurance* term. It's an  insurance
> agent who represents multiple insurance companies, not just a single
> one.

What the hell are you talking about?  It's a perfectly good English
phrase. 
You want to tell us that we can't call an actor's representative an
"agent" 
because the term refers to an FBI employee?

> Why don't you just call them "independent unlicensed contractors".

Now that is flat wrong.  There's no license involved.

The point is, there's no ongoing employment relation****p and no
expectation 
of one (in the movies).  There's certainly no need for an educational 
component.  You gonna' tell me Julia Roberts or George Clooney can't open
a 
movie because they didn't graduate from college.  Or for that matter, Demi

Moore, who didn't graduate from 9th grade?

Producer:  "Demi would be perfect as the topless bimbo soldier".
Studio Exec: "Don't be ridiculous, the job description requires a BA in 
Exdesia. Let's get some resumes and interview the ten best qualified."