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Re: Not a stage dad my ass!!!!!!!!!!!: Spin control fails as Archuleta's Dad banished from "Idol"

by James Robinson <wascana@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 10, 2008 at 11:31 PM

"Mason Barge" <masonbarge@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> 
> "James Robinson" <wascana@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>> "Mason Barge" <masonbarge@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>
>>> "Taylor" <lukebenward@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote ?
>>>>
>>>> We're told by changing the lyrics, it created problems with the
>>>> song's publisher and cost "A.I." a lot of money.
>>>
>>> Yeah, absolutely.  In the Byzantine web of rights to music, an
>>> artist has an absolute right to perform and record any song listed
>>> by a public rights distribution agency but cannot change the words.
>>
>> What?
>>
>> There are loads of examples of artists changing words to songs when
>> they cover them.  Are you saying they were all illegal?  Did the
>> Association get sued for correcting the grammar in the Mamas and
>> Papas song "Go Where You Wanna Go"? 
>>
>> In this particular case, there are many examples on YouTube of Stand
>> By Me and Beautiful Girls juxtaposed by artists, like Jabberwock,
>> which is likely where Archie got the inspiration, and where the
>> conflict might arise. 
>> He only used two words, "beautiful girls", but also the tune from
>> one phrase of the Kingston song.
> 
> You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.  See my comment
> below.  Trying to state a principle of musical copyright law from your
> perceptions is like trying to arrive at the Planck Constant using
> common sense. 

I'm the first to acknowledge that I don't know much about musical 
copyright.  Any expertise I have is with photo copyright.  I was 
questioning your statement that an artist "cannot change the words," when 
it is a fairly common practice. You chose not to explain yourself.

However, since I assume that you would be more than willing to explain 
the details to those of us with little knowledge, I would be interested 
in how the following fits into musical copyright, and the implications:

As sung by Archie"

"... stand my me,
and all you beautiful girls,
oh, oh, oh, stand by me."

Lyrics I could find for "Beautiful Girls":

"When you say it's over,
Damn all these beautiful girls,
They only wanna do your dirt."

.... and the words "beautiful girls" are at the same point in the musical 
phrase, though the meaning of the two lyrics is entirely different.
 




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Not a stage dad my ass!!!!!!!!!!!: Spin control fails as Archule
Taylor <lukebenward@[E  2008-05-09 20:50:44 
Re: Not a stage dad my ass!!!!!!!!!!!: Spin control fails as
Calla <fiatflux@[EMAIL  2008-05-09 23:57:37 
Re: Not a stage dad my ass!!!!!!!!!!!: Spin control fails as Arc
"Mason Barge" &  2008-05-10 11:47:50 
Re: Not a stage dad my ass!!!!!!!!!!!: Spin control fails as Arc
James Robinson <wascan  2008-05-10 16:54:44 
Re: Not a stage dad my ass!!!!!!!!!!!: Spin control fails as Arc
Anim8rFSK <ANIM8Rfsk@[  2008-05-10 10:33:58 
Re: Not a stage dad my ass!!!!!!!!!!!: Spin control fails as Arc
James Robinson <wascan  2008-05-10 18:28:50 
Re: Not a stage dad my ass!!!!!!!!!!!: Spin control fails as Arc
"Echo" <nosp  2008-05-10 15:05:55 
Re: Not a stage dad my ass!!!!!!!!!!!: Spin control fails as Arc
Guy Bannis <guy@[EMAIL  2008-05-10 12:24:27 
Re: Not a stage dad my ass!!!!!!!!!!!: Spin control fails as Arc
"Mason Barge" &  2008-05-10 18:07:27 
Re: Not a stage dad my ass!!!!!!!!!!!: Spin control fails as Arc
Mickey <mickey_and_edi  2008-05-10 16:42:55 
Re: Not a stage dad my ass!!!!!!!!!!!: Spin control fails as Arc
"Mason Barge" &  2008-05-11 10:07:57 
Re: Not a stage dad my ass!!!!!!!!!!!: Spin control fails as Arc
Mickey <mickey_and_edi  2008-05-11 08:06:41 
Re: Not a stage dad my ass!!!!!!!!!!!: Spin control fails as Arc
"Mason Barge" &  2008-05-10 18:10:16 
Re: Not a stage dad my ass!!!!!!!!!!!: Spin control fails as Arc
James Robinson <wascan  2008-05-10 23:31:44 
Re: Not a stage dad my ass!!!!!!!!!!!: Spin control fails as Arc
"Mason Barge" &  2008-05-11 10:23:33 
Re: Not a stage dad my ass!!!!!!!!!!!: Spin control fails as Arc
James Robinson <wascan  2008-05-11 22:16:19 
Re: Not a stage dad my ass!!!!!!!!!!!: Spin control fails as Arc
Mickey <mickey_and_edi  2008-05-11 16:13:22 
Re: Not a stage dad my ass!!!!!!!!!!!: Spin control fails as Arc
"Mason Barge" &  2008-05-12 12:44:01 
Re: Not a stage dad my ass!!!!!!!!!!!: Spin control fails as Arc
Mickey <mickey_and_edi  2008-05-12 11:46:28 
Re: Not a stage dad my ass!!!!!!!!!!!: Spin control fails as Arc
"Mason Barge" &  2008-05-12 15:18:30 
Re: Not a stage dad my ass!!!!!!!!!!!: Spin control fails as Arc
Mickey <mickey_and_edi  2008-05-12 12:24:17 
Re: Not a stage dad my ass!!!!!!!!!!!: Spin control fails as Arc
"Mason Barge" &  2008-05-12 17:22:12 
Re: Not a stage dad my ass!!!!!!!!!!!: Spin control fails as Arc
Mickey <mickey_and_edi  2008-05-12 15:35:57 
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manley.power@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-05-10 09:24:42 
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Taylor <lukebenward@[E  2008-05-10 11:57:14 
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Taylor <lukebenward@[E  2008-05-10 12:13:06 
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"intangible103@[EMAI  2008-05-10 13:53:53 
Re: Not a stage dad my ass!!!!!!!!!!!: Spin control fails as Ar
Kittyn <wooly@[EMAIL P  2008-05-10 18:04:21 
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"Mason Barge" &  2008-05-10 18:28:41 
Re: Not a stage dad my ass!!!!!!!!!!!: Spin control fails as
"intangible103@[EMAI  2008-05-10 13:57:24 
Re: Not a stage dad my ass!!!!!!!!!!!: Spin control fails as
Taylor <lukebenward@[E  2008-05-10 16:25:07 
Re: Not a stage dad my ass!!!!!!!!!!!: Spin control fails as Arc
"Mason Barge" &  2008-05-11 10:01:56 

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